Odm Summit 4n X Oda Lautrix

[GaryCAZ]

Very durable new Bob Hamilton crossing, the flowers last for many weeks.

Andy Easton

[Gary S]

That is different to all the multicolour's , heavily marked and splotched types around at the moment.

I like it indeed, very impressive.

Lasting for many weeks, would look good inside the house for a week or so on display.

Gary..

[richardb]

Excellent.
Just need to get some to the UK !!!!!
Richard

[kamuela]

This stunning new hybrid looks very much like Oda. Nettie Valentine made by both Keith Andrew and myself, 13 years ago! I am really stunned that Odm. Summit would produce such clear reds, given it is bictoniense x brevifolium and to date, as far as I know, it has only produced two hybrids, one to leucochilum and the other back to bic! On top of this, Oda. Lautrix is a mixed pallet, certainly not a line-bred red. Keith and I used Oda. Drummer Boy, a line bred red (janis Andrew x Amber Glow) to mate with Emma Sander (bictoniense x Cda. noezliana) to make Nettie Valentine. Even with the noezliana in the direct background and the rich red background of Drummer Boy, a cross section of the Nettie Valentines had a fair number of saturated colors. So my question is: how many of this cross (Summit x Lautrix) have flowered and what is the color range? Also, what is the flower size and what do the leaves look like (i.e. is there any "Summit Smut" showing through)?

[MrCym]

I've seen about five or six. Some have foliar spots, some don't. All were essentially red. I suspect the line is a dead-end. Oda Lautrix was diploid if I remember correctly. But then I would have been sure Gerardusara would be completely sterile and I'm deluged with its progeny!

[kamuela]

Interesting. Since we have very little posts about odonts, I will push the question further. Namely, I wonder what the results would had been if the cross was by a diploid Summit? I cannot imagine bic x brevifolium breeding reds, no matter what the other parent. And I would never question this hybridizer's veracity. Therefore, I surmise that the tetraploid form of Summit must breed differently. Otherwise the results of this cross are a fluke or go against decades of observable breeding experience. Now in saying this, I had a similar reaction to some of the Colm. (Odcdm) Wildcat crosses I've seen in the past. When mated with some tetraploid large standard odonts the progeny showed no browns or Crowborough shape or any influence from the Wildcat. But in this case I can see bictoniense and even Summit (the lip shape and color) and no influence from the Lautrix--not shape, not flower count (seedling looks branching from the photo), or even color!

For those interested, Oda. Nettie Valentine breeds freely. This also surprises me since I would assume Oda. Drummer Boy is a tetraploid. I have bred on with it and have some very good results. But my problem these days, in comtemplating potential odont crosses, is what counts as a "new and exciting" hybrid. For example, you can't go small (x Prince Vultan) and going big (x Oda. Bombay) is just one step down from what we already have. And although I have some terrific yellow types open at the moment I cannot think of one cross that would be new and exciting. Just too many yellow odont intergeneric types around. Or maybe my imagination has gone south as I enter my sunset years!