Beginning a Cym hybrid-aka: Mr Cym's secrets.

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Gary S
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Beginning a Cym hybrid-aka: Mr Cym's secrets.

Post by Gary S »

Andy,

Too damn hot outside, sitting inside with the AC on and a nice cold drink - I thought, what better than to start a thread like this to help enthuse, educate and encourage all those budding younger forum members to have a go at hybridising. Hopefully some of your answers to the following points will help them along.

I thought I would pose a list of questions as I have been thinking about for this post. Other members can chime in with their thoughts and replies - the more the merrier. Here we go:

1. When thinking about a certain cross, do you plan ahead knowing that both orchids will or should be out at the same time of the year - or do you walk into the greenhouse and see what is in flower, have a quick think about the outcome and with your knowledge make a certain cross on the spot?
2. Once the cross is decided on, how many flowers would you normally pollinate for each cross?
3. What would be the maximum number of flowers you would pollinate on the one orchid, so as not to stress the orchid too much, especially if it is a valuable breeder?
4. How do you decide which would be the pollen donor and which would be the pod plant?
5. Do you do many crosses both ways?
6. Do you use flowers at the base, middle or top of the raceme to pollinate?
7. Do you pollinate all year round - or do the weather conditions for instance play an important role, ie. too hot, too cold or too wet for instance?
8. Once a flower is pollinated, what do you use to tag or mark it on the raceme and what do you normally write on the tag?
9. What info on the cross do you then record in your Hybrids record book (the Bible) - which you would carry with you at all times I assume for quick reference?
10. Normally, how many pollen grains would you add to the stigmatic surface of the pod flower?
11. Once all of that is done, do you move the pollinated orchids to a different part of the greenhouse, to be all together in one area to keep an eye on them?
12. Would this are be more protected under cover and not open to the elements?
13. Once an orchid is pollinated, does it get any different treatment to all the other orchid in the greenhouse - ie. same watering/fertilising regime for instance?
14. Do you update your records in the hybrid record book as the pods progress on the crosses?
15. What is the 'normal' pod maturing time to harvest a green Cym pod to send to the lab, or do you monitor all pods hanging and pick them when you feel each individual pod is at it's optimum harvest point?
16. What is the max time you would hold onto a green pod before sending to the lab once picked?
17. Do you wrap the pods once picked in any special way to send out for sowing?

Hopefully some of your answers, or those from other experienced members will help and encourage other members here on the forum to get out their toothpicks or similar device and have a go. In the case of Nigel with his big flowers - he would be using those eco friendly bamboo chopsticks you get when you buy a take away sushi lunch. :)

Apologies for the long post Andy, feel free to take your time and answer as you like - no pressure. ;)
Monkdvm
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Re: Beginning a Cym hybrid-aka: Mr Cym's secrets.

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Damn. That is a significant list. Maybe Andy should charge a stipend?
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I will be following this discussion with interest! For those interested, I raised a few related questions in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2406

It's the middle of summer here, so I have time to plan and prepare for my first attempt at Cymbidium hybridisation this coming winter/spring.
Gary S
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Post by Gary S »

Maybe so, I only expect brief answers - anything to help the would be genuine members to have a go would be fine.

I also do not expect Andy to answer all in one go either.
Gary S
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It will also give Mr Cym, something to do while it is raining there in Salinas and no orchids to look after in the immediate vicinity. :)
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No rain, Spring is coming!

1. As I don't store pollen it's a case of what is available and in some cases, pollen will be inbound on request from local sources or more likely the opposite hemisphere. We send pollen widely, we receive pollen widely sourced. Every SB Show we get a box of show and tell flowers from Bert Ruiter. Some are bloomings of our seedlings, some are his crosses. Many are used. I don't like interruptions when I am making crosses as I tend to have a plan in the back of my mind, going from one plant to another, back and forth. I spend the driving time back and forwards to SB planning crosses. When I get home I usually have plans for the next visit. I had a bright idea last week which I will put into place next time I am in SB. I have made all these pastel Devon Odyssey hybrids that bloom as early as December. But I had completely forgotten to make some reds for that same period so Tom Petty 'Heartbreaker' 4n and a couple of other similar breeders will be getting a pollen raid shortly!
frex

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Post by frex »

.... - you never started out knowing exactly what you were doing did you mr c: for how many years were you only having a stab in the dark at making a cross ? how many years would you say had passed before you actually started to know your stuff ?
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Learned real fast when the first crosses started blooming in the early 1960's....... But back then any blooming Cym could be sold for 30 quid so we were spoiled.
frex

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i ruminate and worry i will end up being one of those types who only got runs on the board through luck and not knowledge: i think i'll be retired before i will confidently say i am knowledgeable, and even then only in regards to phalaenopsis ?
Gary S
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Post by Gary S »

Now, that is a great response to question #1, thanks Andy. Only 16 more to go over time. :D
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